A HEALTH CARE DEBATE OUTTA KAFKA! Simon and Henneberger cant quite explain the rules of our cock-eyed discourse: // link // print // previous // next //
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 26, 2009
Frankly, we were (largely) wrong: Doggone it! We hate it any time Frank Rich isnt wrongwhich isnt all that often, of course. That said, fair is fairand we were (largely) wrong in the first complaint we lodged in our post about Rich on Monday (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 8/24/09). Rich did not invert the order of the quotes he used from David Gregory and Tom Coburn. In our view, Richs paraphrase was a bit generous to his own preferred narrative; Coburn hadnt exactly been asked if he was troubled by current threats of violence against the government. But Gregory did use the term violence against the government in both his questions to Coburn, not just in his follow-up:
For our money, Gregorys question was stranger than Coburns answeralthough our answer would have been different. (Rich forgot to quote Coburn referring to such extreme statements.) At the time Gregory asked these questions, only one person had appeared at an Obama event with a gun; there had been no violence against the government; nor had there really been any threats. But we missed the first use of that quoted phrase. We hate it any time Rich isnt wrong. But in this case, he wasnt.
One last point: Several Republicans have defended the guns of August in ways which are massively more ridiculous than anything Coburn said that day. Rich has a bit of a jones for Coburn. Appearing on Hardball, Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.), mentioned in passing, was about a thousand times worse.
Frankly, we were largely wrong. We hate it when Rich isnt.
How disinformation rules your world/Canadian health care edition: Be sure to read todays New York Times editorial, Worlds Best Health Care. In ways which are both good and bad, the editorial helps us understand how conservative disinformation can rule our political world.
At issue is the ubiquitous sound-bite, The United States has the worlds best health care. Also at issue: The ubiquitous corollaries to this claim, in which Americans are handed horror tales about Canadian health care. (Or Swedish. Or British. Or French.)
The editorial discusses a study comparing American health care with that found in other nations. Uh-oh! According to the editors, this study undermines that ubiquitous claim: American health care is the best in the world!
Embarrassingly, even the much-maligned Canadian system outstrips that of the United States, according to the editors. Contrary to what one hears in political discourse, the bulk of the research comparing the United States and Canada found a higher quality of care in our northern neighbor, the editors write. Of 10 studies comparing the care given to a broad range of patients suffering from a diverse group of ailments, five favored Canada, three yielded mixed results, and only two favored the United States.
This raises a pair of obvious questions, questions we will continue exploring in our series below. If our health care isnt the best in the world, why do we constantly hear that it is? Equally important: Why hasnt the liberal world found ways to rebut this very powerful claim?
Well be discussing those questions for the next several weeks. Two reactions to this editorial:
First: Remember again what happened last month when a no-name Arizona state legislator threw foreign health-care horror stories at liberal broadcaster Ed Schultz. Schultz had no idea how to respond; he vowed he would take a field trip to Canada to learn how that system works (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 8/24/09). Fifteen years after the defeat of the Clinton health plan, this is still the way the career liberal world works. In other segments of our society, angry interest groups would sue people like Schultz, charging mis- or malfeasance.
The endlessly dozing liberal world has tolerated this sort of thing for decades. We love to call the other side dumb. Perhaps we should look in our mirrors.
Second: Note a Thoroughly Standard Missing Element in this mornings editorial.
The editors deserve our praise for calling attention to this new study. They do a good job of highlighting, then undermining, that ubiquitous, powerful sound-bite. Given what we endlessly hear about the horror of Canadian health care, the new study is quite striking. But that study is much more striking because of a highly relevant point the editors chose to leave out:
Canada is actually one of the biggest-spenders on the OECDs list of developed nations. (Average spending in 2007: $2964 per person.) And yet, our northern neighbor spent just 53 percent as much as we spent in 2007, per person. But good grief! Despite our massive over-spending, the U.S. finished behind Canada in those ten studies comparing care, according to the editors.
Its absurd to omit these spending data when we discuss that famous sound-bite. American health care is the best in the world? We have the worlds best medical system? The spending data are obviously relevant, and yet they are routinely omitted, as in todays editorial. The editors did an unusually good joband still left out half the story.
Editors! Show us the money!
But thats the way we liberals argue, despite our self-admitted brilliance. Even in the rare case where we get it right, we tend to omit half the tale. Why does bogus conservative spin tend to rule our political world? Remember what Schultz told that no-name hack. And remember todays editorial.
This is all happening fifteen years after our last health reform defeat! If we want to name-call people as dumb, why dont we look in our mirrors?
PART 2: A HEALTH CARE DEBATE OUTTA KAFKA: Sometimes, we liberals imagine a better, simpler simpler world.
In this world, a sane public discourse proceeds apace, on terms which are blatantly rational. In this world, our side voices remarkably clear, simple goals. For that reason, no one can defeat the things weve proposed by inventing ridiculous and blatant falsehoods, which crazily turn the debate. In this vastly better world, no one can start yelling death panel claims. No one can say that we have the worlds best health care. No one can claim that our White House candidate said he invented the Internet.
At the present time, of course, that sane, serene world simply doesnt exist. But we liberals never stop dreaming. We felt for a letter-writer in last Fridays Post. Dear God! It sounded so simple!
The letter writer imagined a world where Democrats could make a proposal without provoking ferocious public opposition. She thought a narrow type of logic would make such ferocity grind to a halt. But then, liberals and Democrats often dream of such a world. Here was Melinda Henneberger, a perfectly decent person, dreaming on last Thursdays Hardball:
Henneberger was dreaming too! If only hed made the moral argument! If only Obama had done that from the beginning, she dreamed, this same thing wouldnt be happening all over again!
This should be a no-brainer, she said. As she said that, she dreamed a vast dream.
Sorry. It would be happening all over again if Obama had made that argument! Almost surely, the pseudo-conservative spin machine would have swatted away that moral imperativeand it would have swatted away the letter-writers narrow logic. At present, the pseudo-conservative spin machine has an almost endless ability to swat away liberal proposals. The letter-writer didnt seem to know that. But then again, neither did Henneberger.
Last Tuesday, in an on-line discussion, two of Rick Perlsteins readers had a clearer take on the current shape of our broken political culture. The reader from Derry acknowledged something: He doesnt necessarily understand why we lose in the cock-eyed way we do. But he does know what always happens:
Our side has been losing this way for decades! The pattern in our public debates is clear; it cant be wished away with appeals to narrow logic or to uplifting moral imperatives. Heres what happens, as the Derry man knows, in years when we dont have Bush in the White House with approval ratings near 25 percent:
On the other side, ridiculous and blatant falsehoods will appear. On our side, we will show little sign of knowing how to react to these falsehoods. Al Gore said he invented the Internet! And not only that: European health care has failed everywhere its ever been tried!
Neither one of those statements is true. Each statement might be called a blatant and ridiculous falsehood. But so what? In 1999 and 2000, one of those unrebutted falsehoods cost you the White House, and gave you Iraq. (Liberals still refuse to discuss this.) The other falsehood is currently helping drive health reform down to defeat. And other fairly ludicrous claims are being used in our health care debate:
No one has actually read the bill! This is an utterly silly attackand yet, its now ubiquitous, and its quite effective. John Conyers walked into this buzz saw a few weeks ago, and he skillfully said the wrong thingas Democrats and liberals tend to do in the course of our endless defeats.
How silly can conservative objections be? Do you remember the stimulus package? Objections can get very sillyand yet, such objections prevail.
In January, Obama suggested reseeding the National Malland that was turned into a toxic suggestion, one which had to be stripped from the stimulus package. In the same way, living will consultationsorry, death panelswill now be stripped from health bills. And yet, we liberals still dream of the zipless debateof the claim so clear and pure that it cant be routed in some bizarre fashion. As we dream these dreamers dreams, we show that we still dont understand the shape of our current predicament.
Can we talk? In years when no GOP congressman has been discovered sleeping with boys, its easy to defeat our proposals! (There is no easier job on earth than that of the pseudo-con pundit.) Typically, we show few signs of understanding why that is. Henneberger puzzled about this strange matter just a bit later on Hardball:
Understandably, Henneberger gnashed her teeth. The other side just has to say a few words: Government takeover! No, wait: Death panels! By way of contrast, our guy goes out there for an hourand nobody knows what he wants! Earlier on the same Hardball program, Roger Simon had described a version of the same odd situation:
Like Henneberger, Simon described a strange dual system. One side gets to yell objectionsthe more absurd the better. The other side is somehow required to make an impossibly complex presentation. One side is required to yell two words. The other side has to tick off long list of complex points.
To our ear, Simon and Henneberger were each describing a political system they cant quite explain. One side gets to yell crazy thingsand the other side is required to make intensely detailed presentations! And yet, the side which yells the crazy things is the side which constantly wins! Its almost like a dream from Kafkaa dream our side cant quite explain. Then too, we thought of a passage from Wittgenstein: We feel as if we had to repair a torn spiders web with our fingers.
Our side tends to have a very hard time explaining that peculiar systemwhen we try to explain it at all. And yet, one thing is painfully clear: It looks like the same thing is happening all over again,as Henneberger said about the current drive for health reform. Indeed, we recently reread James Fallows famous and important Atlantic piece, A Triumph of Misinformation, about the way the Clinton health plan went down to defeat in 1994 (just click here). For all its fame, his famous piece could have been written today, about the latest such triumph we liberals have helped engineer.
TOMORROWPART 3: The Fallows piece, then and now.